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Okay.
So your problem is you don’t find this cartoon character attractive enough? And yet you complain about others who complain about Momo or whoever being too attractive? You’re the same.
I didn’t say this at all and, in fact, said the complete opposite. That I’m more concerned about the creator’s ideology, her behavior and the immediate, obviously ideologically derived backlash to any criticism than the character appearing “boyish” or whatever.
Which is explicitly why I said “okay” when somebody submitted the OP to me. Because that’s not my concern and I couldn’t really care less about it.
Why is it that dipshits like you consistently misrepresent this bullshit? If anyone has issues with this cartoon you immediately assume it’s because they don’t find the character attractive. Pro-tip, I don’t find the original She-Ra attractive either, nor am I at all invested in this show because I didn’t watch She-Ra or He-Man growing up.
In your rush to get a “gotcha” you not only failed to understand if I even had an issue with the reboot or not. Maybe you should stop having me live in your head rent free, then you could actually use that space for rational thought instead of showing everyone what an idiot you are.
I’ve noticed the creator seems to really be just doing things to upset people on twitter. Since they started to receive backlash they’ve been saying toxic things and lacking professionalism over all. While I understand it sucks to have your idea shat on by people, At the same time It’s not okay to react in such a negative way.
It’s clear the creator isn’t just choosing She-ra because they liked the show from the 80′s or is interested in the lore. I feel like they’re doing it just to piss people off. They’re going the route of ghost busters 2016. “let’s piss off and insult the original fans of the show” kinda thing.
I saw an interview where she admitted she didn’t watch She-Ra at all and only took the job because “girl power”.
And this is why people are actually pissed about She-Ra, Thundercats Roar and other reboots of late. They feel like there’s no real passion and the new showrunners just want to spread their agendas using something someone else loved 20-30yrs ago.
Because ya’know they don’t need that 20% of the original fanbase that will ensure success by word of mouth and all the free advertising fans do for things they love.
Look at the traction Ducktales has gotten, Disney maybe be a perfect company, but damn they did that reboot 99% right and it’s paying off!
Truthfully, I’d say Ducktales is a special case. They got both the originals fans, and the fans of Barks and Rosa.
I’ve noticed the creator seems to really be just doing things to upset people on twitter. Since they started to receive backlash they’ve been saying toxic things and lacking professionalism over all. While I understand it sucks to have your idea shat on by people, At the same time It’s not okay to react in such a negative way.
It’s clear the creator isn’t just choosing She-ra because they liked the show from the 80′s or is interested in the lore. I feel like they’re doing it just to piss people off. They’re going the route of ghost busters 2016. “let’s piss off and insult the original fans of the show” kinda thing.
I saw an interview where she admitted she didn’t watch She-Ra at all and only took the job because “girl power”.
I’m gonna need proof for this. I was willing to give it a chance and I figured that if they were going for a younger She-Ra then the whole controversy of her design was overblown and dumb, but if they’re just gonna be cunts about it then fuck ‘em.
“Noelle Stevenson didn’t grow up watching She–Ra: Princess of Power, but she wishes she had. “I was always looking for the female characters in sci-fi and fantasy who were more than just the girlfriend,” says the celebrated cartoonist, 26. “I love the female characters in She–Ra. There isn’t another show quite like it.”
I can’t attest to the other claims because I didn’t make them. That said, I’ve heard repeatedly that she’s been a massive bitch in the past, going after people like the creators of Steven Universe for really minor/petty things, so it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest that she’s stirring the pot now.
I see no problem here. Is there something wrong with wanting women in media to be more than a tacked on love interest? If that’s the extent of the agenda, I’m behind this. I have no problem with someone with that agenda making the new She-Ra.
You haven’t been paying attention in media if you think that there aren’t women who are more than tacked on love interests. And anyone who advocates that position is a moron.
The original She-Ra wasn’t a tacked on love interest, so that assertion is not only stupid, but shows an inherent misunderstanding of the original.
She’s not advocating for…sorry, the way you wrote that, I can’t tell what you think she’s advocating for. There are women in media who are more than love interests, and wanting to make more media like that isn’t a bad thing. I don’t understand your issue here.
I feel like you’ve misread or misunderstood the quote. She likes old She-Ra because the women weren’t just love interests. She wished she could have learned about She-Ra when she was younger, because it’s the kind of show she was looking for.
Because it’s acting as if She-Ra was the only media where it isn’t. It’s overblowing an issue that not a problem.
There is literally no problem with female representation in children’s animation, let alone media in general, and parroting that point makes her look like an ideological idiot.
It’s like saying “I love the idea of doing a He-Man reboot because the male characters are powerful and it’s good to see that in media”.
It comes from an ideological place, which is my exact issue with this kind of reboot. It’s the same issue we’ve had in comic books and look at what has happened with every rebooted, redesigned or revamped comic book character from The Big Two?
They’re garbage because the authors are going into things with politics and ideology first and they’re doing it as a “win” for their “side”.
There is so much media that is regarded are regarded as classics that were written with politics and ideologies in mind. Most media that gets widely appreciated, I’d wager, has a creator who cares about the ideology they inject into their stories. The Illiad wasn’t just written to be a meaningless adventure ,it’s about the toll that war takes on soldiers, for example. Children’s media especially tends to have life lessons, and if that’s not ideology, I don’t know what is. Avatar the last airbender is praised to high heaven, and it’s full of ideologies being pushed.
Whether this creator is delusional about the current state of women’s representation in media or not is irrelevant. If she takes that conception, and uses it to drive her to make good media with positive representation of women, no matter how common that already is, I don’t care. The intention to make good art is there, the why doesn’t matter.
The only modern comic I’ve read in recent memory is the new Lucifer run, which is Vertigo, so I don’t know if you’re counting that as DC or not. I’m enjoying it. It would be great if I could engage with your point more, but I just don’t have the necessary context. I just don’t buy modern comics that much, mainly because I prefer books that are complete when I get into them.
Here’s the issue. Ideology. If she’s putting ideology first, which her comments indicate she is, then she’s not going to be making something like Lucifer. She’ll be making something like Captain Marvel, Angela Queen of Hell, Mockingbird, Squirrel Girl or FemThor.
And if you think Avatar was full of ideologies, you’re an idiot. Unless you’re trying to state that any moral, any life lesson, is an ideology. At which point all of fiction, all of storytelling, falls apart because it’s all ideological pushing. Which is a post modernist argument, which also ignores the crux of the issue.
I pointed at the moon and you looked at the finger.
Alternatively… There is a difference between a storying containing an ideology, life lesson, etc., and a story pushing an ideology on to the audience.
Devilman Crybaby has an ideology related to how a lack of empathy and understanding basically leads to the destruction of everyone. However, that didn’t have to be said over and over again by the characters.
The characters didn’t have to be like “Look at me! I’m being sympathetic! See? I’m sympathetic and I defeated the villain.” which is how FemThor comes across except instead of sympathetic, it’s feminist and female. The villains they faced in DM:C wasn’t just straw analogies for the ideology, they were complex with their own views towards the world and it was heartbreaking when they changed. You didn’t have to be constantly reminded of that. The ideology behind being more sympathetic and understanding towards each other didn’t have to constantly be beaten over the audience’s head by having the protag face straw villains who only exist just to be defeated.
You can see that the characters in DM:C are sympathetic. They show sympathy for others and they just do it. The audience doesn’t have to be told that they’re being sympathetic. It’s shown and not constantly beaten over your head.
Whereas with FemThor at every moment, she’s talking about how she’s a woman and gunna beat up this MANLY ™ villain. This mean man who is sexist and looks down on women! I’m gunna punch him in the face and defeat him! Ironically, she takes it easy on the female villain and convinces her to turn against the male villain because evil women are just misunderstood and need help while evil men are to be defeated and brought down!
Every male she encounters is effectively exactly the same. Misogynist, sexist, looks down on women, sexualizes them, etc. even male villains who have no such history of doing so in the hands of any other writer. It’s so prominent in media to do shit like this, that even the Miles Morales Spiderman comic took a jab at people who are like this. FemThor’s only purpose is to be a woman who is BETTER than Thor because she’s a WOMAN and she can BE BETTER! and other than that she has no actual personality. She’s a mouthpiece for the creator… which is why the sales for it tanked. No one wants to just get lectured by an author/artist while reading a comic, story, etc.
I’d say DM:C is pushing an ideology, so that’s not the problem with Fem!Thor. The issue is a lack of subtlety and nuance. You can push an ideology while appreciating the complexities of the issues you address. Also while writing a good story.
Yeah subtly is another way of putting it basically.
Granted, I would still say that it contains one instead of actively pushing one because the audience is not being forced to accept it or get lectured on it as they watch the show/read the comic, etc.
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